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		<title>By: Richard Roe</title>
		<link>http://ubcinsiders.ca/2012/10/more-than-a-bystander/comment-page-1/#comment-11479</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Roe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is also not illegal to take photographs of someone in a public place without their consent. It’s just gross and creepy&quot;
Actually, what is &quot;gross and creepy&quot; is the idea that we&#039;re subjugated under any standard but the Rule of Law.  No Law = No Crime.  But that is an idea foreign to many University people, who are more into &quot;policy&quot; and &quot;groupthink&quot; than Law, which is, of course, eternal, the same in Athens and Sparta.
The University-culture of pretending that offending people is the same as violating the law is very sick and is indicative of a descent into totalitarian madness on the part of the University system.
Also, I think we had the 60s---sexual liberation, and what-not?  It&#039;s time to stop acting over-mature, as directed by your University Masters, who have indoctrinated you to be humorless and more worried about offending others than creating a culture that subjugates people and denies them their freedom of expression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is also not illegal to take photographs of someone in a public place without their consent. It’s just gross and creepy&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, what is &#8220;gross and creepy&#8221; is the idea that we&#8217;re subjugated under any standard but the Rule of Law.  No Law = No Crime.  But that is an idea foreign to many University people, who are more into &#8220;policy&#8221; and &#8220;groupthink&#8221; than Law, which is, of course, eternal, the same in Athens and Sparta.</p>
<p>The University-culture of pretending that offending people is the same as violating the law is very sick and is indicative of a descent into totalitarian madness on the part of the University system.</p>
<p>Also, I think we had the 60s&#8212;sexual liberation, and what-not?  It&#8217;s time to stop acting over-mature, as directed by your University Masters, who have indoctrinated you to be humorless and more worried about offending others than creating a culture that subjugates people and denies them their freedom of expression.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Lougheed</title>
		<link>http://ubcinsiders.ca/2012/10/more-than-a-bystander/comment-page-1/#comment-11421</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Lougheed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 05:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last I checked, UBC Insiders doesn&#039;t strive to be journalism. It&#039;s a blog. On the internets. With opinions, and a perspective. It just happens to try to uncover things that no one else would.
Libel involves an implication of fact which is not the fact. The details above /are/ fact. If you believe it to be libel, try it in court. You will lose, because you&#039;re wrong. And in all likelihood you&#039;re also a misogynist&#039;s defendant. Prepare yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last I checked, UBC Insiders doesn&#8217;t strive to be journalism. It&#8217;s a blog. On the internets. With opinions, and a perspective. It just happens to try to uncover things that no one else would.</p>
<p>Libel involves an implication of fact which is not the fact. The details above /are/ fact. If you believe it to be libel, try it in court. You will lose, because you&#8217;re wrong. And in all likelihood you&#8217;re also a misogynist&#8217;s defendant. Prepare yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://ubcinsiders.ca/2012/10/more-than-a-bystander/comment-page-1/#comment-11401</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 06:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;morally apprehensible&quot;
Reprehensible. Let&#039;s crack the dictionary before pressing send</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;morally apprehensible&#8221;</p>
<p>Reprehensible. Let&#8217;s crack the dictionary before pressing send</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://ubcinsiders.ca/2012/10/more-than-a-bystander/comment-page-1/#comment-11400</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 06:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is simply a poor excuse for journalism. It&#039;s one thing to report on an event; it&#039;s another to present circumstantial evidence based in a camera model that I wouldn&#039;t be the least surprised is used by 5% of the student population.
I don&#039;t condone misogynistic actions, nor do I think that that the &quot;joke&quot; behind the whole twitter account was in good taste. This whole attitude--of collectively objectifying women--probably stems from the herd mentality of junior hockey, but it doesn&#039;t automatically  connect individuals to the events. The suggestions in this article, I imagine, could qualify as libel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is simply a poor excuse for journalism. It&#8217;s one thing to report on an event; it&#8217;s another to present circumstantial evidence based in a camera model that I wouldn&#8217;t be the least surprised is used by 5% of the student population.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t condone misogynistic actions, nor do I think that that the &#8220;joke&#8221; behind the whole twitter account was in good taste. This whole attitude&#8211;of collectively objectifying women&#8211;probably stems from the herd mentality of junior hockey, but it doesn&#8217;t automatically  connect individuals to the events. The suggestions in this article, I imagine, could qualify as libel.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://ubcinsiders.ca/2012/10/more-than-a-bystander/comment-page-1/#comment-11395</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comments in question are not defamatory because they are opinions - no matter how distasteful. The law is more complex than simply establishing that derogatory statements were made about an identifiable person - if you&#039;re interested, read TorStar v. Grant for a survey of The tort of defamation in Canada. And by the way, there is no way in hell that this meets the threshold for criminal defamation, as you suggested above.
It is also not illegal to take photographs of someone in a public place without their consent. It&#039;s just gross and creepy. The problem is that the bro subculture that finds this kind of thing acceptable is in a position of representing the university. And that&#039;s embarrassing for everyone involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments in question are not defamatory because they are opinions &#8211; no matter how distasteful. The law is more complex than simply establishing that derogatory statements were made about an identifiable person &#8211; if you&#8217;re interested, read TorStar v. Grant for a survey of The tort of defamation in Canada. And by the way, there is no way in hell that this meets the threshold for criminal defamation, as you suggested above. </p>
<p>It is also not illegal to take photographs of someone in a public place without their consent. It&#8217;s just gross and creepy. The problem is that the bro subculture that finds this kind of thing acceptable is in a position of representing the university. And that&#8217;s embarrassing for everyone involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Drake</title>
		<link>http://ubcinsiders.ca/2012/10/more-than-a-bystander/comment-page-1/#comment-11394</link>
		<dc:creator>Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course being &quot;allowed&quot; to do something and being an asshole are completely different. Others were defending the twitter handle/website based on humour.  What I was trying to get at was that some of the stuff posted could have resulted in legal action. Not much of it, but some could have. Specifically if there were &quot;creep&quot; shots that clearly identified someone and were followed by derogatory comments.  That would be defamation. So to say if &quot;you don&#039;t like it, unfollow it&quot; doesn&#039;t hold up on a legal level. Regardless if someone else finds this morally apprehensible or not, when you start crossing legal boundaries you are up what someone else called earlier &quot;shitcreek.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course being &#8220;allowed&#8221; to do something and being an asshole are completely different. Others were defending the twitter handle/website based on humour.  What I was trying to get at was that some of the stuff posted could have resulted in legal action. Not much of it, but some could have. Specifically if there were &#8220;creep&#8221; shots that clearly identified someone and were followed by derogatory comments.  That would be defamation. So to say if &#8220;you don&#8217;t like it, unfollow it&#8221; doesn&#8217;t hold up on a legal level. Regardless if someone else finds this morally apprehensible or not, when you start crossing legal boundaries you are up what someone else called earlier &#8220;shitcreek.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel M</title>
		<link>http://ubcinsiders.ca/2012/10/more-than-a-bystander/comment-page-1/#comment-11393</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found one of the tweets from the account in Google search results: &quot;Campus is a little quieter these days but the #dimes are definitely there. Keep your eyes peeled and sniff out the #DimesInHeat #dimewatch&quot;
Disgusting. I&#039;m not that fluent in the nuances of language and meaning, but even I can tell that the person behind that tweet sees women as less than human. It certainly gives a sexual predator vibe.
As for the people making excuses, just wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found one of the tweets from the account in Google search results: &#8220;Campus is a little quieter these days but the #dimes are definitely there. Keep your eyes peeled and sniff out the #DimesInHeat #dimewatch&#8221;</p>
<p>Disgusting. I&#8217;m not that fluent in the nuances of language and meaning, but even I can tell that the person behind that tweet sees women as less than human. It certainly gives a sexual predator vibe.</p>
<p>As for the people making excuses, just wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://ubcinsiders.ca/2012/10/more-than-a-bystander/comment-page-1/#comment-11390</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Free speech allows you to be misogynistic&quot;.
I think you might be missing the point here. Nobody said that this kind of behaviour is illegal. The claim is that it&#039;s creepy, disgusting and an embarrassment to the university. Just because you&#039;re &quot;allowed&quot; to do something in the legal sense doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;re not an asshole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Free speech allows you to be misogynistic&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think you might be missing the point here. Nobody said that this kind of behaviour is illegal. The claim is that it&#8217;s creepy, disgusting and an embarrassment to the university. Just because you&#8217;re &#8220;allowed&#8221; to do something in the legal sense doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re not an asshole.</p>
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		<title>By: Drake</title>
		<link>http://ubcinsiders.ca/2012/10/more-than-a-bystander/comment-page-1/#comment-11389</link>
		<dc:creator>Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free speech allows you to be misogynistic. You can say that you think all women are sluts. If that is your opinion, you can say that, type or write that in a public space. But if you direct misogynistic comments at a specific person, especially in a public space, then you invite yourself to all sorts of repercussions. Defamation, harassment, etc etc.  The repercussions would be minimal though. A plaintiff in a defamation suit would likely not be awarded a massive sum of money and a criminal suit would not mean jail time. These are just the facts. Humour is not a legal defence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free speech allows you to be misogynistic. You can say that you think all women are sluts. If that is your opinion, you can say that, type or write that in a public space. But if you direct misogynistic comments at a specific person, especially in a public space, then you invite yourself to all sorts of repercussions. Defamation, harassment, etc etc.  The repercussions would be minimal though. A plaintiff in a defamation suit would likely not be awarded a massive sum of money and a criminal suit would not mean jail time. These are just the facts. Humour is not a legal defence.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Menzies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Menzies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the problems with ideologies of violence is that very often individuals who are the subjects of that violence will act as though they support it or agree with it.  Calling the dime watch site &#039;humourous&#039; really misses the point.  Suggesting that what consenting adults do in private is their own m=business, misses the point that the web IS NOT PRIVATE.
Objectifying women (or men) as objects of sexuality, ranking them, commenting upon them, is an act of social violence whether one thinks it funny or not.
Next thing we will be hearing is that the Lady Godiva ride will be on again.  The same arguments were used in defense of that inappropriate act when it was finally banned as are being used to defend the &#039;hunourous&#039; dime watch site.
Violence against women takes many forms.  Objectification and ridicule on a web site is one part of the spectrum of violence that authorizes date rate and physical acts of domestic violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the problems with ideologies of violence is that very often individuals who are the subjects of that violence will act as though they support it or agree with it.  Calling the dime watch site &#8216;humourous&#8217; really misses the point.  Suggesting that what consenting adults do in private is their own m=business, misses the point that the web IS NOT PRIVATE.  </p>
<p>Objectifying women (or men) as objects of sexuality, ranking them, commenting upon them, is an act of social violence whether one thinks it funny or not.  </p>
<p>Next thing we will be hearing is that the Lady Godiva ride will be on again.  The same arguments were used in defense of that inappropriate act when it was finally banned as are being used to defend the &#8216;hunourous&#8217; dime watch site.  </p>
<p>Violence against women takes many forms.  Objectification and ridicule on a web site is one part of the spectrum of violence that authorizes date rate and physical acts of domestic violence.</p>
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