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	<title>Comments on: The AMS Permanent* Art Collection</title>
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		<title>By: Charles Menzies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Menzies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is such a classic neo-liberal move - sell possessions that one holds to pay for current expenses (pretty it up by placing funds in an endowment).  One should not be surprised - it&#039;s what most major governments (left or right) are doing - selling off assets and turning to market approaches.  Ironically, raising cash in this fashion ultimate impoverishes our governing agencies and our society.  While the individual pieces are not really separately important to keep, and while recognizing the bonanza like possibilities of selling off a few pieces, the real poverty of practice is that for years the collection (and by extension a lot of other public goods) has been allowed to languish.  The first real hit was several decades ago when the galley was turned into a bar - that was the beginning of the end for the AMS collection which up until then had a permanent place for display.  But the argument at that time was that the liquor sales would contribute to the AMS and maintain the art collection and student arts etc, etc, etc. ... All things that are being said by this generation of students leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is such a classic neo-liberal move &#8211; sell possessions that one holds to pay for current expenses (pretty it up by placing funds in an endowment).  One should not be surprised &#8211; it&#8217;s what most major governments (left or right) are doing &#8211; selling off assets and turning to market approaches.  Ironically, raising cash in this fashion ultimate impoverishes our governing agencies and our society.  While the individual pieces are not really separately important to keep, and while recognizing the bonanza like possibilities of selling off a few pieces, the real poverty of practice is that for years the collection (and by extension a lot of other public goods) has been allowed to languish.  The first real hit was several decades ago when the galley was turned into a bar &#8211; that was the beginning of the end for the AMS collection which up until then had a permanent place for display.  But the argument at that time was that the liquor sales would contribute to the AMS and maintain the art collection and student arts etc, etc, etc. &#8230; All things that are being said by this generation of students leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Elin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve: any money from the sale will go back to arts funding. We do not have financial issues. The problem that this question is looking to address is the lack of funding for the arts at UBC, and a lack of care for our impressive collection. The referendum legally binds the AMS to put all of the proceeds from the sale towards an Arts Endowment.
Brendan: I understand that the question does not touch on all the specifics, like the committee structure, governance, etc. Those will all be done if the referendum passes. The question does bind us to spending the proceeds from the endowment specifically on Art. The rest will be hashed out if and only if the question passes.
Cheers,
Elin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: any money from the sale will go back to arts funding. We do not have financial issues. The problem that this question is looking to address is the lack of funding for the arts at UBC, and a lack of care for our impressive collection. The referendum legally binds the AMS to put all of the proceeds from the sale towards an Arts Endowment.</p>
<p>Brendan: I understand that the question does not touch on all the specifics, like the committee structure, governance, etc. Those will all be done if the referendum passes. The question does bind us to spending the proceeds from the endowment specifically on Art. The rest will be hashed out if and only if the question passes.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Elin</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan Albano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan Albano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Elin,
That is reassuring to hear!
The referendum question does not discuss how the &quot;AMS Arts Endowment Fund&quot; will be administered, and says that it will be &quot;used to purchase additional art and support other on-campus arts programming and initiatives,&quot; making no explicit mention of the fund going towards the maintenance of the collection.
This lack of clarity in the referendum question itself was the source of my alarm, and I certainly hope that, should the referendum pass, the way you have described the running of the endowment is how it ends up being run!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Elin,</p>
<p>That is reassuring to hear! </p>
<p>The referendum question does not discuss how the &#8220;AMS Arts Endowment Fund&#8221; will be administered, and says that it will be &#8220;used to purchase additional art and support other on-campus arts programming and initiatives,&#8221; making no explicit mention of the fund going towards the maintenance of the collection. </p>
<p>This lack of clarity in the referendum question itself was the source of my alarm, and I certainly hope that, should the referendum pass, the way you have described the running of the endowment is how it ends up being run!</p>
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		<title>By: steve barbaria</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve barbaria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would encourage the AMS to only sell work to improve the remaining collection or to help fund current artists. If the proceeds leave the art community, we, as a culture, continue on the path of diminishing the arts in general to solve other financial issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would encourage the AMS to only sell work to improve the remaining collection or to help fund current artists. If the proceeds leave the art community, we, as a culture, continue on the path of diminishing the arts in general to solve other financial issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Elin Tayyar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elin Tayyar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendan,
The plan is to have the money from the endowment be overseen/administered by a committee made up of some professionals (Belkin director, etc), faculty, and students who study art. It could go towards the maintenance of the collection, acquisition of new work, and other funding for student art.
The big issue is not that the collection is a financial drain (the insurance costs are some $9,000), but that the art is not being cared for, and that funding for arts is limited.
Elin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendan,</p>
<p>The plan is to have the money from the endowment be overseen/administered by a committee made up of some professionals (Belkin director, etc), faculty, and students who study art. It could go towards the maintenance of the collection, acquisition of new work, and other funding for student art.</p>
<p>The big issue is not that the collection is a financial drain (the insurance costs are some $9,000), but that the art is not being cared for, and that funding for arts is limited. </p>
<p>Elin</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Barbaria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Barbaria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: one of the photographs is by Adam Harrison, not Adam Harris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: one of the photographs is by Adam Harrison, not Adam Harris.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan Albano</title>
		<link>http://ubcinsiders.ca/2012/01/the-ams-permanent-art-collection/comment-page-1/#comment-10790</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan Albano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I helped hang all three of the permanent collection shows last year and from that experience I bet can make a pretty good guess as to why the collection has been shown so infrequently in years past.
It is incredibly difficult to safely remove any of the works from storage due to the horrific conditions of the boxes the work is stored in. Last year five of the more valuable pieces got upgraded to fancy wooden crates, which was awesome, but the rest of the works are mostly still in boxes that feel like the bottoms could fall out at any moment which makes putting on a show difficult an other uses of the work impossible. It would be fantastic for a canadian art history class for example to be able to come to the gallery after hours and have the art gallery commissioner pull out some work for them to see first hand, as textbook reproductions are always inadequate. This unfortunately is unlikely to happen due to the risk it would impose on the art because of the shitty boxes.
If the referendum passes and works are sold I would urge the ams to put a good chunk of that money (like ten grand at least probably) back into the collection to work towards solving the problem of the works being &quot;expensive to insure and hard to display.&quot; They should do this by consulting professionals at the Belkin or the Vancouver Art Gallery about industry standard storage practices and having new boxes built for all of the work. Maybe even we could upgrade from cardboard to something sturdier like chloroplast.
With better boxes, the collection becomes immensely more accessible, heck, you might even be able to negotiate a better deal on insurance next time the collection is assessed. If the collection is a financial drain with not enough benefit for students, using money from the collection to support student artists or acquire new work, while both awesome activities, are not long term solutions.
If you deaccession work because the collection has problems (as the referendum states) use that money FIRST to fix the problems of the collection! After that, do whatever. First buy boxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I helped hang all three of the permanent collection shows last year and from that experience I bet can make a pretty good guess as to why the collection has been shown so infrequently in years past.</p>
<p>It is incredibly difficult to safely remove any of the works from storage due to the horrific conditions of the boxes the work is stored in. Last year five of the more valuable pieces got upgraded to fancy wooden crates, which was awesome, but the rest of the works are mostly still in boxes that feel like the bottoms could fall out at any moment which makes putting on a show difficult an other uses of the work impossible. It would be fantastic for a canadian art history class for example to be able to come to the gallery after hours and have the art gallery commissioner pull out some work for them to see first hand, as textbook reproductions are always inadequate. This unfortunately is unlikely to happen due to the risk it would impose on the art because of the shitty boxes. </p>
<p>If the referendum passes and works are sold I would urge the ams to put a good chunk of that money (like ten grand at least probably) back into the collection to work towards solving the problem of the works being &#8220;expensive to insure and hard to display.&#8221; They should do this by consulting professionals at the Belkin or the Vancouver Art Gallery about industry standard storage practices and having new boxes built for all of the work. Maybe even we could upgrade from cardboard to something sturdier like chloroplast.</p>
<p>With better boxes, the collection becomes immensely more accessible, heck, you might even be able to negotiate a better deal on insurance next time the collection is assessed. If the collection is a financial drain with not enough benefit for students, using money from the collection to support student artists or acquire new work, while both awesome activities, are not long term solutions. </p>
<p>If you deaccession work because the collection has problems (as the referendum states) use that money FIRST to fix the problems of the collection! After that, do whatever. First buy boxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Yonson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal Yonson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, the AMS bylaws are what require a referendum for this question and for the Whistler Lodge.
Bylaw 11(7): &quot;Council shall not dispose of any land, buildings or improvements thereto, or art objects owned by the Society unless such disposition has been authorized by a Resolution of the Society.&quot;
It is a challenging requirement, since the AMS is only so-so at passing referenda. However, this was probably put in to prevent &quot;self-centred hacks who don’t give a shit about art&quot; from dismantling the collection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, the AMS bylaws are what require a referendum for this question and for the Whistler Lodge.</p>
<p>Bylaw 11(7): &#8220;Council shall not dispose of any land, buildings or improvements thereto, or art objects owned by the Society unless such disposition has been authorized by a Resolution of the Society.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a challenging requirement, since the AMS is only so-so at passing referenda. However, this was probably put in to prevent &#8220;self-centred hacks who don’t give a shit about art&#8221; from dismantling the collection.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Menzies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Menzies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to be a shame to sell off pieces of the collection.  It also seems strange to require a referendum to enable the sale of pieces from the collection.  There is rarely anything sacrosanct about holding a collection without at times selling some piece of it.  If the purpose is to sell to put money into the AMS general funds - then that&#039;s a really poorly thought out idea.  If the idea is to reorganize the collection in accord with a clear long term idea and plans to publicly showcase the art, then that makes a little more sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to be a shame to sell off pieces of the collection.  It also seems strange to require a referendum to enable the sale of pieces from the collection.  There is rarely anything sacrosanct about holding a collection without at times selling some piece of it.  If the purpose is to sell to put money into the AMS general funds &#8211; then that&#8217;s a really poorly thought out idea.  If the idea is to reorganize the collection in accord with a clear long term idea and plans to publicly showcase the art, then that makes a little more sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Ritchie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Ritchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 08:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies there is an end date to the possible sale of art, Feb 28 2013
consider the relevant statement retracted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies there is an end date to the possible sale of art, Feb 28 2013<br />
consider the relevant statement retracted.</p>
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