Comments on: Frederick Ruling Overturned http://ubcinsiders.ca/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/ Separating the wheat from the chaff. Wed, 13 Nov 2019 15:50:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Durgan http://ubcinsiders.ca/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10132 Durgan Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:58:10 +0000 http://ubcinsiders.ca/wp/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/#comment-10132 Its not personal, except for the fact that there are personalities involved. Last year's 'affair' was due to peer pressure on the EA to not act on irregularities. Suspicions about bias and/or undue influence on the administrators of this year's elections by other politically motivated students will never be put to rest. <br/><br/>I think the slate rules are fine as long as they, and the rest of the regulations, are enforced impartially. The only way to approach that is to get someone outside the psycho-social dynamics of our divided campus to oversee them. Its not personal, except for the fact that there are personalities involved. Last year’s ‘affair’ was due to peer pressure on the EA to not act on irregularities. Suspicions about bias and/or undue influence on the administrators of this year’s elections by other politically motivated students will never be put to rest.

I think the slate rules are fine as long as they, and the rest of the regulations, are enforced impartially. The only way to approach that is to get someone outside the psycho-social dynamics of our divided campus to oversee them.

]]> By: Mike Thicke http://ubcinsiders.ca/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10131 Mike Thicke Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:04:10 +0000 http://ubcinsiders.ca/wp/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/#comment-10131 Nice to hear. I still think the slate rules, at a minimum, need to be rewritten for clarity.<br/><br/>I don't see any point to this bias stuff. Why do we have to go personal? The reasonable and charitable interpretation of all of this is that the elections rules are confusing and the EC made an honest mistake. Making things personal just leads to animosity on all sides and makes political progress on campus more difficult. Life is already plenty difficult, we don't need to make things worse. Nice to hear. I still think the slate rules, at a minimum, need to be rewritten for clarity.

I don’t see any point to this bias stuff. Why do we have to go personal? The reasonable and charitable interpretation of all of this is that the elections rules are confusing and the EC made an honest mistake. Making things personal just leads to animosity on all sides and makes political progress on campus more difficult. Life is already plenty difficult, we don’t need to make things worse.

]]> By: Durgan http://ubcinsiders.ca/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10130 Durgan Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:51:02 +0000 http://ubcinsiders.ca/wp/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/#comment-10130 While it seemed obvious to us that the EC acted with bias, we knew it would be next to impossible to prove it to the appeals committee. The chief justice did not seem to want to even entertain the idea that it might have been possible. <br/><br/>Thankfully they found for Blake regardless. We would have like to see a recommendation from the CJ to hire an outside entity to administer elections in the future. Based on the past two elections (the ones I have paid attention to) it seems impossible for the EC to act without peer pressure, undue influence, or outright bias. Bringing in peeps from outside the community might address these problems. While it seemed obvious to us that the EC acted with bias, we knew it would be next to impossible to prove it to the appeals committee. The chief justice did not seem to want to even entertain the idea that it might have been possible.

Thankfully they found for Blake regardless. We would have like to see a recommendation from the CJ to hire an outside entity to administer elections in the future. Based on the past two elections (the ones I have paid attention to) it seems impossible for the EC to act without peer pressure, undue influence, or outright bias. Bringing in peeps from outside the community might address these problems.

]]> By: Gina Eom http://ubcinsiders.ca/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10129 Gina Eom Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:02:13 +0000 http://ubcinsiders.ca/wp/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/#comment-10129 I thought it was the Appointments Committee which in turn needs to be appointed/voted within council, of which the agenda is set by the president? I thought it was the Appointments Committee which in turn needs to be appointed/voted within council, of which the agenda is set by the president?

]]> By: Green Machine http://ubcinsiders.ca/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10128 Green Machine Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:40:46 +0000 http://ubcinsiders.ca/wp/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/#comment-10128 yes. yes they do. Actually Alex (M) was also on the committee who hired Sarina. yes. yes they do. Actually Alex (M) was also on the committee who hired Sarina.

]]> By: Hokeydino http://ubcinsiders.ca/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10127 Hokeydino Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:25:48 +0000 http://ubcinsiders.ca/wp/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/#comment-10127 Doesn't the VP Academic hire the Elections Administrator? Doesn’t the VP Academic hire the Elections Administrator?

]]> By: Sunshine http://ubcinsiders.ca/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10126 Sunshine Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:32:01 +0000 http://ubcinsiders.ca/wp/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/#comment-10126 ... incredibly inefficiently<br/><br/>- Sonja … incredibly inefficiently

- Sonja

]]> By: Spencer http://ubcinsiders.ca/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10125 Spencer Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:57:05 +0000 http://ubcinsiders.ca/wp/2009/02/frederick-ruling-overturned-2/#comment-10125 The system works... The system works…

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